Free speech is OK

Opening post, just testing how this thing works more to follow.

OK start now, Danny wrote...

 This is just bonkers, and I'm trying to be as polite as possible.

I wasn't advocating censoring Trump. I was simply making the point that his words can be harmful, as you were still peddling the myth (proven false with reference to plenty of examples to the contrary from myself and other posters above) that words cannot be harmful. Anyway, even if I was trying to censor him, how would that necessarily "vindicate everything he says"? It might make him a "martyr" amongst his admirers and feed his disingenuous "we're being silenced by political correctness" narrative, but it wouldn't prove what he says to be right, reasonable or justified. His bull**** would still be bull**** either way.

Your posts can be difficult to follow; so are you saying the guy in the re-tweeted video was a Muslim or that he wasn't a Muslim? If, as you say, "the claim he was a Muslim has been denied officially", then why are you also saying that you "don't know it the guy was a Muslim either way"? Are you saying the claim might be suspect? Have you got a link to any further info on this as I've admittedly not followed the story in a huge deal of detail and your comments are a tad confusing? I've done a really brief Google search but can't find any update on the perpetrator's identity.

Of course Trump's intentions are relevant. It enables us to make a value judgment and criticise accordingly. Trump attempted to propagate a misleading narrative. Don't you realise that the scrutiny and reported contradiction of the content would never have been necessary had Britain First and Trump simply not peddled their nonsense in the first place as nobody would have been misled or misframed then, therefore meaning that nobody would have required any clarification or correction? The world would have been a better place if Britain First and Trump had just given up spreading their bull**** in the first place.

Trump is constantly peddling bull**** and it doesn't seem to be doing his reputation a huge deal of damage amongst his core vote, so your utterly bizarre argument - effectively that Trump's expressions have made the world a better place - is demonstrably false in this instance; his bull**** got him elected president of the most powerful nation on earth, for heaven's sake. He's been an incendiary presence on the global stage ever since, be it in his dealings in respect of North Korea or in relation to Israel-Palestine last week. And yet millions of people still entertain him and regard him as a truth-seeker standing up to "fake news" and "political correctness". The image he conveys is a total inversion of reality, like the slogan of Ingsoc in '1984': "War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength."

The whole gist of your opinion is that there is some sort of arbitrator of truth in existence ie some authority, "the ministry of truth", well the reality is there is not.

To you the arbitrator of truth, is the authorities themselves or indeed you yourself.

Unfortunately everyone else thinks they are right too, which is where the whole idea collapses.

To get to the truth you need  an arena free from censorship and bias, everyone is equal no one is intimidated or afraid to speak, and that is certainly not foot.ie!!

You opinion on Trump is your opinion.

You opinion on Trump is your opinion, he was preferred to the other liars on offer. Perhaps one of the reasons for that was because he spoke freely hence people trusted him, preferable to perhaps a woman who never spoke freely?

He has not started any wars yet by the way.

People trust him because they do not trust the establishment, an establishment that as got richer whilst they have got poorer.